Dear Helen Wong and especially the Editors of The Daily Californian:
On today’s opinion page, I see that you have decided to share your thoughts (we’ll call them thoughts) on the subject of piracy, predicated on your desire to see the film Captain America: The Winter Soldier. After trying unsuccessfully to view this film through a legal and relatively cheap channel, you found yourself forced to pirate the film via a torrent site, a technology you say you’ve come to rather late. Indeed. This experience prompted you write some of your observations on the subject of piracy, and the editors of your newspaper thought these worthy of publication. But, Helen, not only are you late to the game of using pirate sites, you’re even later to the game of expounding on your bullshit rationalizations for doing so. I mean, Girl, your statements from beginning to end are so six years ago. I quote:
“Theft refers to the removal of the original material, while piracy means making a copy. If music were to be treated as physical property, then laws that absolutely prohibit illegal downloading would have to be passed. That’s not the case.”
This is how your whole article reads. It’s filled with careless generalizations like these three little sentences that suggest you’ve found a tattered copy of the pirate manifesto somewhere but haven’t bothered to do any research or even more than a few minutes thinking on the issues implied. “Laws that prohibit illegal downloading would have to be passed?” Does it occur to you that if there were no such laws, the downloading would not be illegal? That’s just careless writing. But tell me you’re not late to using Google because you certainly might have expended just bit of effort checking to see if, for instance, Amanda Palmer’s “success story” has any holes in it, or discovered that Radiohead’s Thom Yorke has actually been very vocal in recent years about some challenges in the digital age. Most importantly, a bit of research might have shown you that the subject of piracy as a promotional vehicle is, at best, controversial but that most producers of works don’t see it that way. In fact, in your offhand and typical comment about “Marvel and Disney having made enough money,” as a justification for your actions, you didn’t even bother to check that Disney is not a producer of the film but is a distributor.* This information is freely available on a website called IMDB.
Now, I know I’m being unkind and that everything implied in the paragraph above would require some effort. You would have to ask yourself journalistic questions like, Do I have my facts straight? Is what I’m writing current or outdated? And in so doing you would have to spend up to several hours coming up to speed on the subject of piracy and perhaps then offer some original observations on the matter. Had you done this, Helen, the most important lesson you would have learned is that journalistic writing, like filmmaking and other creative crafts, require work to do well, and that work has value. Had the makers of Captain America skimped on process as you did in this article, it would not be a film you’d be interested in seeing, which brings us to the matter of its presently limited distribution.
Captain America: The Winter Soldier cost $170 million to produce, and if you think that’s too much, perhaps they should cut some corners like skip the process of compositing. You don’t know what compositing is? Let’s just say that it’s one of several hundred steps performed by skilled professionals in order to make this film something you were eager to see in the first place. All those steps cost lots and lots of money — 170 million dollars lots — and you are in absolutely no position to know whether or not the investors have made the kind of return required thus far for them to invest in the next Marvel project. It may seem greedy for the film’s owners to limit the distribution to sales for the time being, but there’s a window of opportunity when a film like this recoups its investment from a big pie chart of revenue streams (e.g. DVD sales), and then the film becomes available through cheaper channels. You’ll find this is a pattern consistent with the distribution of many products.
Here’s a thought, Helen. While waiting for this or any other film to become available as a low-price rental, I might suggest checking out any of several thousand movie titles you have yet to see in your young life that are available right now through various affordable and free channels. Alternatively, you might also Google the word “library,” and discover that you very likely have one of these mythical facilities in your community and that they either have or can get you a DVD of Captain America: The Winter Soldier that they will let you borrow for free. But I know you wanted to stream it to your computer in the very moment you felt the whim to see it. I hear that. My kids do the same thing sometimes. They want what they want when they want it. But sometimes they have to wait for what they want, and in the meantime, they often have other experiences of equal or greater value. In the meantime, they learn to be citizens. Just like my twelve-year-old has to do her homework, she’ll one day learn that somebody has to do a thing called compositing in order for her to enjoy a high-tech action movie and that journalists have to do some research before they write articles worth reading.
*Disney does own Marvel Studios. I should clarify the point that it is all too easy to just point to big names and forget that there are multiple entities with real-life employees involved in these types of films.
Definitely not the finest journalism I’ve seen, but I think she delivers what could be a common rationale for people to stream or download pirated media (movies, music, software, photos, books…) albeit misguided. I’ll blame it on her youth.
“Piracy at its basics isn’t quite stealing, it’s more like sharing. It has its benefits. It’s free and relatively convenient, and it’s certainly not as bad as the big companies and studios would have everyone believe.”
My brother copied an Anti-Flag Cd he bought used at a record store. Since it was used, the artist never saw a dime from my brother’s purchase. He copied the CD and gave it to me under the pretense that I would like it. I ended up Loving It, they are by far one of my favorite bands. I purchased the album through iTunes – knowing full well the artist only get about 70% of the sale and that is if they are Independent – much less if they are on some major label. I then went to Spotify and proceeded to download all of their albums to listen to Offline while I worked, even though I know they only get micro-cents when I listen to them. So, I went to their website and proceeded to buy the albums I really loved on Vinyl if they were available and purchased the rest direct from them on Bandcamp or from their Online CD’s Store. I joined their mailing list, followed on Twitter and Facebook, I bought t-shirts, special releases, I even gave the Copied CD my brother gave me to someone else……. I can safely say that there are less than than 5 bands that I would do this with and all because my brother decided to pirate a used CD.
I don’t tell this story to justify pirating, but it is exactly what happens in the human world and some musicians – Phish, Grateful Dead – many Punk Bands – thrive(d) on the underground “bootleg” enterprise. Other musicians like Frank Zappa would record his concerts to release and “Beat the Boots” so he could profit from his live recordings being value added – better quality, support the artist, ect…..
There are many legit outlets for FREE – I love that you mention the Public Library – or near Free – used bookstores, Used Record/CD’s shops, Antique Junk Stores, Amazon.com, Ebay.com…….and things like Spotify, Pandora, AmazonPrimeinstantvideo/music/books, Googleplay, Netflix offer basically FREE w/subscription that ends up meaning pennies or less for the artists (I think these services are great for consumers and Major Labels and awful for Artists) – so even though they are “legal” it is sometimes better for the Artist to have someone like my Brother share a disc he bought at used store then hope you’ll be discovered through any of those services because the payoff is greater when it actually lands in the hands of someone who is willing and able pay for it.
Put them on your mailing list because they are your real fans.
peace.
“…but it is exactly what happens in the human world….”
But it happens very rarely, statistically speaking. There is someone out there who pirated “Expendables 3”. She immediately fell in complete love with the series. Even as we speak she is out buying every Expendables T-shirt, action figure, and DVD. She has even started exploring the back catalog of Dolph Lundgren, Stallone and the rest of them and is falling in love with and spending money on those action flicks of years past.
I am sure that person exists. I am sure many such people as that exist. I am also pretty sure that, as a strict matter of economics, “piracy”, “sharing”, whatever you want to call it, loses vastly more in net revenue from casual fans than new revenue it creates in fanatics.
SF46 and David – Actually, not with Expendables but I had watched The Transporter on YouTube (Free – Legit site – I am sure there was some copyright infringement there but Google happily advertised before each video) in chapters a couple of years ago. I ended up buying the whole series on DVD because I liked it.
The issue here is that out on the web are sites that any 12 year-old can find and use but for some reason the law isn’t able to move quickly enough to shut it down to protect the interests of Major Movie Companies – the law can’t protect the millions who are forced into sex-traffic or slavery either, but I bet the interests of the big movie company will trump the interests of the human slave. That is where the efforts will go.
I don’t know why Lions Gate or any other movie company doesn’t make their own Tube Site (maybe even team up!!) that allows folks to download and watch their Movies, their entire catalog, immediately from their own homes. Bypass Apple/Netflix/Amazon and set up their own system – why share at all? – they could charge DVD price on opening day and gradually lower as the months go by – sure theaters would be hurt but they’d rake it all in.
Joshua, I wouldn’t get bogged down in making the mistake that law enforcement resources will be overly dedicated to the interests of movie studios while they ignore human trafficking and other hideous crimes of that nature. It really doesn’t work like that. Moreover, I come at these issues from a cultural perspective, questioning people’s attitudes about practices like piracy rather than focus on legal remedies. I criticize Helena Wong for spreading what I believe are childish attitudes regardless of whether or not the actions themselves are illegal or the law is enforceable.
As to why film-production companies don’t all shift to 100% streaming model for fees, that’s a hell of a lot harder to do than it is to say. There are many pieces to that puzzle, but for starters, big spectacle films still draw audiences to theaters. And making those films costs a ton of money. Achieving returns on those huge investments relies on a handful of critical revenue streams that are only available to the producers during a limited window after a film’s completion. In very simple terms, a company like Netflix can produce a House of Cards for its subscriber base, but it would be hard-pressed to produce a series of Marvel films at $200 million a piece. I wouldn’t personally have a problem living in a world with more of the former and less of the latter, but I’m not the arbiter of what people want to see; and I certainly don’t hope to see the big-screen experience disappear altogether.
A short answer to your question, though, is that there is a reason there are companies whose core business is production and companies whose core business is distribution on a scale like Netflix or Amazon. Plus, the way films get made with groups of limited partners, each with different types of interest in the product only confuses the model further. Sure, in principle, there could be a Lionsgate Channel, a Participant Channel, and so on for the top 100 or so production companies, but there are a lot of reasons that would be both chaotic and risky. All that said, we may well see very big changes in the industry over the next decade or two.
“The issue here is that out on the web are sites that any 12 year-old can find and use but for some reason the law isn’t able to move quickly enough to shut it down…”
Joshua, I agree with this. This is a law enforcement issue. And I am not as hopeful as some that it is a solvable law enforcement issue. If it is not then I am also less than hopeful that there is a “new business model” that will cure everything. There is some amount of lawlessness that makes an activity impossible as a matter of practical economics. I believe we may reach it with regard to many types of currently produced IP.
sf46,
I think blanket licensing and/or levy against ISPs is one possibility. I don’t think it is the best thing ever mind you, there is a whole sort of problems with fairness and the like that can arise from that.
But the idea that you can just hand individual legal mandates over control of the spread of information (which is exactly the power what copyright “attempts” to provide) is so absurd in this day and age of computer networks, that it is nearly impossible to devise any system that could be any worse then what copyright provides as an economic model.
(1) A fine gentlemen linked to this article in a previous comment thread: https://medium.com/mixed-media/a-digital-content-solution-f96af612d25b
Again, Joshua, thanks for your comment. Your story is not irrelevant at all. In fact, I wrote a post about copying a CD for a friend very recently to make the point that this level of “piracy” has never really been what rights owners are concerned about. I doubt there are many musicians who don’t appreciate the value of the old mix tape. Needless to say, piracy on an enterprise scale that literally makes millions for those who operate these sites is a whole other ballgame, and at that scale, it does threaten the viability of creators.
I don’t know how old you are, Helen, but you look very young and happy. Clearly, you don’t really understand the consequences of your actions or I don’t think you’d share so freely in public. I wonder if your parents ever talked to you about this. My guess is probably not and your basing your choice on what your peers have to say.
And maybe this is the learning. If you are a parent and reading this, I ask you, have you ever talked to your kids about online piracy? My guess is probably not and by not doing so, you are missing out on teaching your child an important lesson about respect and contribution.
Piracy may not be a gateway drug, but it does set the tone for how people act when they can do whatever they want. In many ways the Internet is the ultimate challenge for personal integrity. Because I respect the artists who put it all on the line to inspire and enlighten my life, it actually gives me pleasure to give something back of equal value for their work.
And isn’t that the world you want your children to live in?
Your article reads like a juvenile rant. There are no solid arguments here. Belittling the writer of the article you are responding to does not prove your point, especially calling the other article `bullshit.` I’ve seen you do this before and it doesn’t work. Next time form a valid argument with logical premises and grow up while you’re at it.
Thanks, Tim. I’ll work on growing up. In the meantime, you’ll find hundreds of words on this blog addressing piracy from a variety of angles, and it’s frankly tedious to repeat some of them. Helena’s article doesn’t deserve actual debate.
ZING!
And there you go again… Someone whose opinion differs from yours ‘doesn’t deserve actual debate.’ You actually stated in your rant that you were ‘being unkind.’ I am reenforcing your own statement. And going a little further. It is despicable to speak in such a manner to a girl, presumably half your age, from a student newspaper…
She’s not a child, Tim, and The Daily Californian is not a high school paper. I’m sure she’s less than half my age but is still an adult writing for a publication produced by one of the most well-respected universities in America. Not only did she presume to rattle off all of the standard talking points in favor of piracy (none of which are her own ideas), but you are making the mistake of thinking that she and I simply have different opinions on these issues. This is a misconception indicative of our times in which everybody expects a chance to speak, even if what they’re saying is false or outright destructive. It’s why news programs will have the climate change expert “debate” the climate change denier despite the fact that climate change is no longer open for debate. What a colossal waste of time, no?
“Piracy is a victimless crime” is a false statement. “Piracy is okay because the producers have enough money,” is both a false statement and a poor rationalization for doing something inherently wrong. “Piracy is promotion” is, at best, a choice to be made by the rights holders not by anyone else and is, therefore, another poor rationalization for doing something inherently wrong. These and other common pro-piracy assertions do not warrant the kind of debate or hand-holding you feel I owe Helena. And if my eldest, who is younger than she, came to me with the same logic and unoriginal generalizations, I’d tell him that he sounds like an entitled brat and that he should find something else to do with his time while waiting for the rental release of a damn action movie.
And although there’s no denying I took a very strident and impatient tone in this post, you’ll notice that I attacked her professionally and not in any way personally, which you imply when you say the words “tear down.” I think treating her like a little kid would be more insulting than taking her as seriously as I did, but call that what you will. Moreover, while I certainly did not respond to her article with kid gloves, I think there are in fact a couple of lessons in my post should she choose to take them. The most important lesson, of course, is that there is skilled labor (human beings) behind the product she’s being so cavalier about, and that ought to give her pause.
Tim, assuming that you DO work for a living, I hope you never experience the “thrill” of working in ANY profession in which people can steal – or expect you to give away your work for free – work you spent your life training to do well- and from which your living is derived. Then we’ll see who needs to grow up.
Logical constraints aside, I can’t imagine any lawyer, dentist, store owner, etc. having to deal with piracy. Why should artists and crafspeople?
Amy, Yes I do work for a living. I am a composer and I own an independent record label. Your ‘hope’ that I will never experienced the ‘thrill’ of working in such a profession will not come to pass. Sorry.
The point is not what I do, I didn’t actually state any particular belief of mine had you read my comment. My point is that David is acting like nothing more than a bully, preying on an opinion article from a student newspaper. I’m going out on a limb here, but dare I say that he is belittling someone probably half his age. If Mr. Newhoff must opine, he could actually write in such a manner as to educate, or respectfully disagree, not tear down a little girl. That is despicable and tasteless.
Interesting discussion. I would like to add that I am more concerned about companies like Spotify, iHeartRadio, Youtube, and Pandora fleecing musicians while making substantial profits than the Helena Wongs of the world. To me, both are versions of piracy, but at least Helena is only getting a free viewing, not millions of dollars (and last I heard, streaming radio behemoths are trying to get out of paying royalties for older copyrights). I am an independent musician and composer. It’s going to be nearly impossible to stop the pirates now, especially considering the majority happens internationally in countries like China, where a grotesque percentage of DVD purchases, for example, are pirated and there is little to do about it. DRM was one option, but that’s only a bandaid. In general, both legal and illegal outlets are working to fleece artists. Its nice to wish for some action, but the mainstream music industry left their concern for the artist in the dust decades ago (except for a notable few…oh, if I could only twerk!). Artists need to be proactive and find ways to make money with their art, despite the piracy, and fans need to realize that if they truly LOVE music, then they need to find ways to support those artists (maybe buy a T-shirt?) because there really is no Calvary in site. – Sabrina Pena Young, Composer @dalatindiva
I think focusing your concern on the Spotify et. al. is misguided. Which is not to say that criticism of them isn’t an important part of the discussion. But it is crucial to remember that their existence is a symptom of piracy. Spotify would not exist (at least not in it’s current for of “as much as you want of everything ever for free”) if not for widespread Internet piracy. Because few would license their music to them for $0.0000001 per play. But now its “take the $0.0000001 or take nothing*”. Given the choice I’d take almost nothing rather than nothing too. Generally the same goes for the other tech music companies, whatever their business model.
Secondly, piracy in China is an issue, certainly. But I’m not sure why that means we should just accept it here. There has always been piracy in less developed parts of the world with less functional rule of law. And not just of music and entertainment but IP theft on everything from falsely trademarked airplane parts to Disney toys that aren’t from Disney. Pirates and anti-IPers will look at say “See, piracy is as old as the hills. No problems here!” The problem is that America and the developed West (and East see: Japan, Taiwan, etc.) was a big enough IP – friendly market that creative businesses could function, even with free riders from the third world. But now this market is being destroyed.
Finally I think it’s important to remember that this issue is way bigger than music. Music was the first to be hit because of a quirk in the product: that it was already consumed digitally and that it had small enough file sizes to be easily transmittable through even primitive internet connections. But this affects everything that can be digitized and. Its easy to say “T-shirts and live shows” (As an aside I’ve always wondered what would happen if button down shirts become the main style again. Does that kill the new music model?), but this doesn’t work for authors nearly so well. I can’t imagine me wearing a “Piers Anthony Rules!” T-shirt, and I don’t think I’d really care to hear Mr. Anthony give a lecture in a theatre. And it really doesn’t work for video game developers or, for that matter, personal tax software developers.
*Note: Obviously some record companies aren’t “taking nothing” they are taking millions of dollars in stock that they aren’t sharing with musicians. This is, again, an important issue but one that would probably be mostly moot in a world where there was little piracy and the record companies could demand real money for product.
Hey Helena, go out and buy a guitar and amp for $2000, find four friends who also spent that and a drummer who spent more. Practice every night for three years until you all can play a tune from beginning to end. Oh and work nightshift part time so you can pay for the rehearsal room – $30 an hour. Don’t have a life or watch tv or hang out at parties or basketball games – ya gotta practice scales and chords until 4 in the morning. Then book a recording studio and make a 3 song demo for $1500 that totally sucks. Blow another $1300 on printing CDs that stack up in the drummer’s garage. Now repeat this 3 times for 5 years and spend 30 grand. Now you’re starting to get good and one of your songs people actually like. Drag your boxes of CDs to the gig and watch people rip your song from the internet and go home. Take boxes of CDs back to drummer’s garage and repeat ad nauseum. Good luck!
The real problem here is that the royalty system of artist payment is broken. It cannot work in the digital age. A new paradigm is need for payment. Actors figured this out many years ago because the studios were ripping them off. Now they demand their payment up front, and not based upon cooked-book theater figures. Something like that is sorely needed in the music industry for artists, song writers, etc. Barring that, getting paid will continue to be a frustrating and feckless process. Once any creative endeavor is digitalized, assume that it’s gone. That includes a live performance.
Okay Mr. Newoff, may I just start out by saying that your argument about kids and having to wait for something that one wants, because that makes one become a citizen, very much reads like an American Dominant-parent attitude which puts me much in mind of Poisenous Pedagogy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisonous_pedagogy), and especially the notion that one has to “tame” or “discipline” a child who by nature is a carrier of Original Sin, or “instill an internalized cessation of desire and wants according to the order and routine of society, the subjection of the Self to the Government”.
I don’t know if that’s how you meant to come across, but that’s pretty much the vibe I’m getting from a lot of Americans, conservative or liberals (your liberals are our conservatives, btw, and luckily we don’t have the conservatives you have) alike, and it is especially apparent when it comes to attitudes to parenting.
It’s like you have to be the Big Man, you have to Dominate your children, you have to have The Last Word, even if what you decide when Lording over them, turns out to be counterproductive in the extreme.
Perhaps the best example is sex-education.
“Honey, why can’t you just finger yourself for four more years untill you are of a legal age?”
And you wonder why so many teenagers don’t plan out for having sex and therefore don’t practice safe sex, why there are so many teenage pregnancies, and why your children don’t seek you out for advice about relationships and intimacy.
Why is all this important?
Because if a fourteen-year-old wants to fuck, she is going to.
And if an adult wants to download a movie, he or she is going to.
So give the fourteen-year-old proper information, tell her where the box of condoms are, and don’t be so difficult that you are defending outdated distribution-models which favour not the producers, but the monopolistic distributors.
I know you can be a proper dad – and I know you can be a proper rationalist.
Pirat greetings from Scandivania!
Vegle —
I was really on the fence about approving your comment in light of the fact that it barely scratches the surface of making a point that has anything to do with the post itself. I’ll do your nation the courtesy of not assuming that all Scandinavians are as naive (or rude) as your comment indicates you are. You made a lot of assumptions about me out of one statement (one that you misunderstand) and wasted no time leaping from Internet piracy to sex education. These subjects are only analogous in the minds of people who’ve spent way too much time immersed in contemporary psychological gibberish and/or are just grasping for more rationalizations for contributing to a form of theft. I’d prefer if you stick to the point; I won’t address sex education here as it is not relevant to the thread of discussion.
I teach my kids to be polite, to respect other people, and to demand respect from other people. I also teach them that they cannot have everything they want at all times simply by asking for it because things cost money, time, effort, etc. And even if I were rich, I would not hand them the world because that is a poor lesson that fosters terrible adults who behave like very large spoiled children. (They grow up to run whole economies into the ground and get away with it.) If you think these basic, non-religious values are the lessons of someone interested in a paternalistic power grab, I don’t know what to say other than to call you a presumptuous fool. I have three children — young, middle, and adult — who are kind, empathetic, and engaged with the world. All three of them are consistently the first in any social situation to protect even a complete stranger who might for some reason be vulnerable. In short, they are all aware that they exist in a world with others, which is the foundation of playing a role as a citizen.
The fact that as an adult you are incapable of accepting your small role in contributing to what amounts to the exploitation of others (because that’s what piracy is) indicates to me that someone failed to teach you fully how to be a citizen. I doubt that’s a Scandinavian thing; we have plenty of Americans who exhibit the same kind of narcissism. You might consider that exploitation negligible, but then so is your presumed “need” to pirate whatever media you’re consuming.
Thank you for your wondrously bizarre comment. If nothing else, you demonstrate what elaborate mental contortions people will go through to justify being too cheap to pay to see a movie.
Lets… ah, not do the whole kettle and pot thing, I am sure your children are a blessing to you and do indeed hope that they share all of your values and opinions, seeing as you feel confident that you have created “citizens” out of them, not individuals.
Let’s instead jump right in to the self-rightous, pompous meat of the matter: “your small role in contributing to what amounts to the exploitation of others”.
Um, no.
Last time I checked, not only did popular movies – the ones that the monopolistic distributing chain that you are waging your tail for – turn in record profits (for which Hollywood accounting amounts to quite a bit of exploitation of various honest working groups, but let’s not get into how the movie-production industry isn’t exactly a charitable organization) – but actors, and their investing production companies, also earn quite a bit of money.
So let’s save the crocodile tears for the uninformed, shall we?
Moving on, you seem to suffer from a massive, massive misunderstanding if your honest impression of what piracy is all about, is exploiting others by wanting stuff for free.
I’m at loss as where to begin to explain the realities of the matter to you, but let me keep it simple, and do try to keep up (I’ll enummerate the different points for you):
1.
Pirates want primarily copyright to be abolished in its current form, because keeping the laws as they are leads to worse consequences than getting rid of them. A) Surveillance is the biggest baddie there, B) censorship follows as a lead-up, and next we have C) an unscroupulus commercialization of law-enforcement through private actors.
These are all massive issues which completely fly in the face of vibrant, developing, liberal societies.
They may fit well in an Orwellian Dystopia though, where children are raised to be nodding little drones obeying “Da Law” (you should see “Judge Dredd” by the way, you may like it).
Next point, the gist of your complaints – and this is where I’m convinced you are one of “those guys” who imagine themselves to have understood something when they haven’t even bothered looking into it – you know the ones, the Dunning-Krugger affected guys who need to cling to authority and tradition like a crutch and interpret the world based solely on rules and regulations that they can grasp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect).
Because fact of the matter is, all of the arguments against piracy has been heard before – when the printing press arrived, when the audio-tape arrived, when the video-tape arrived.
And yet, the industry has thrived, and embraced the future – sometimes reluctantly, and sometimes the distributors and the monopolists and the “regulators” haven’t had it all their way.
But,
2.
The future is now, and the times they are a’changing.
And it is obviously not a future which you welcome, or changes that you understand.
But that’s fine.
Nobody really needs you, your lack of understanding, or your misinformed and perspectiveless views.
Keep on fighting windmills all you like, in the meantime, we pirates don’t just want to share information and culture unrestricted – which you probably translate to “entertainment for free” – we also want for the third world to obtain license-free access to patented medicine.
Now if you have an honest bone in your body, take that one on, and spend of your no doubt valueable time to opine that that position is based on a desire to exploit people.
In the meantime, I’ll leave you with what the musicians themselves say about the music industry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZUSn7I-zNo
I’m sure your points are very interesting, but I simply couldn’t follow them. I’ve forwarded your reply to my colleagues at the NSA to translate into basic grunts and hand gestures. In the meantime, you may want to buy a disguise or something.
In my opinion Helen’s views are Wong… very Wong!
🙂